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General stuff:

Had an interesting week lately. 

They finally confirmed my promotion and pay rise at work last week, which was nice, and even better when I realised the pay rise was more than I'd been expecting. Although, as is normal at our place, they knew there was a new massive workload coming in from the start of July, they interviewed for more people, and lo and behold, the start of July has come and gone, and the first of the new people has only just started today, the others aren't expected till later this month, and the person who is supposed to be coming and doing my old job isn't here yet, so at the moment I'm doing my old job, half of my new job, while still trying to learn the *rest* of my new job that I don't know yet because we just haven't had time to devote the training to it during June, which was supposed to be the changeover period. Aaaaargh!

So, work has been just a bit manic recently. No wonder I've been writing so much Primeval fanfic in my lunchbreaks!

Went to a barbeque party at the weekend, which was quieter than I expected, but fun, and there was lots of cake and gingerbread bears (very cool), and a variety of semi-burnt meat products wrapped in bread, which kind of sums up most barbeques. And there was the staying up talking random insaneness until nearly three in the morning, hence my missing practically all of Sunday morning due to being asleep.

Wimbledon final very good. Go Federer! Bit worried he looked like he was going to fluff it partway through, but it certainly turned into a bit of a nail-biter towards the end. 

Fanfic stuff (posted behind a cut because there turned out to be more than I expected):

As briefly mentioned re work, I've been having a rather productive time writing fanfic recently. I was trying to get an entry done for this week's Primeval100 challenege, since the promt: "who's Claudia?" got my Nick/Claudia shipper bunny all exciteable and bouncing around, but then I completely failed to have any writable ideas for it. Well, actually, there was one, but I wrote it and then no matter how much I edited it, it absolutely wouldn't be short enough to qualify, so instead I gave up trying to edit down, and expanded it into a mini-ficlet of around 300 words. It's rather darker and nastier than my usual fics, so I'm hanging onto it for a while longer, and I keep prodding it to see if it wants to turn into anything else before I post it. 

Work was going well on the Ryan and Connor series I've been trying to write for a few weeks (and kept getting distracted from by drabbles and Ryan/Sharpe). Chapter one is finished, and about to be given to my proof-reader. Although I was thinking about it at work today and had a sudden panic that there wasn't enough plot, and suddenly all my meticulously planned chapter outlines went out the window as abruptly two chapters merged into one, and a whole new chapter appeared out of nowhere to completely change the ending of the series. Damn. May take longer to write than I expected, especially if work and life keep being so bloody busy and distracting. There's only so much you can do in a half hour lunchbreak when you still have to eat as well!

I'm also a bit worried that it's becoming more slashy than I originally intended. I've clearly been reading far too much Ryan slash recently. Speaking of Ryan, can someone help with a quick query pease? What is the type of gun he uses? Is it an automatic rifle, or a submachine gun? I *think* it's an automatic rifle, but I'm not sure, and I'm also not sure what that weapon is capable of in terms of single shot, burst, or full automatic fire. Can anyone help? I know I'm being pedantic, but I like to get my research facts right if I'm writing fic.

General comment to the Primeval crowd that I was wondering about the other day: where's all the het fic? Back when Primeval_ITV and Primeval_fanfic first started there seemed to be a fairly even mix of slash and het, now it just seems to be predominantly slash. Which I'm not *complaining* about exactly, but what about fic for all us Nick/Claudia shippers? I seem to be the only one posting any N/C recently, but I don't have any more in the pipeline right now. Anyone got any ideas, or know of any other fanfic sites that have Primeval hetfic?

Well, that turned into a longer ramble than originally intended.

Current Location: bedroom
Current Mood: busy
Current Music: Mike Oldfield, Amarok

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fredbassett From: fredbassett Date: July 9th, 2007 08:47 pm (UTC) (Link)
Well, in no particular orde

# Work. Yep, sounds depressingly familar. Keep taking the lunch hours, that's my advice!

# Not sure about where to find Primeval hetfic. But you're right, there does seem to be less of it about than there was. I'm quite happy to read it, but I'm afraid I can't oblige with the writing as I still don't think I can manage the female voices, hence I'm still avoiding them. I know, I'm a coward!!!

# I'm really looking forward to your Ryan/Connor. *looks hopeful at mention of slashiness* :)

# OK, the technical bit. I'm a bit out of date with current types, numbers etc, but the main guns they carry are short barrelled, with folding stocks, and Brassey's Nato Infantry and its Weapons (1976), which is the first thing I've grabbed off the shelf, rather than the internet, would describe them as submachine guns. They are capable of single shot, short burst and long burst. I wouldn't use automatic rifle as a description here, as most rifles, unless it's specifically a bolt action single shot sniper's rifle like the L96 I had Stephen use, are automatic. You'd be more likely to call them assault rifles, rather than automatic rifles (eg Kalashnikovs, Armalite M16s etc). I think, but will need to check that there is a reference to Special Forces using M16s. I know someone who will kow the answer, so I'll consult and get back to you in more detail if I dig anything else up.
deinonychus_1 From: deinonychus_1 Date: July 9th, 2007 08:54 pm (UTC) (Link)
Thanks for the info.

Starting to wonder if I'm getting too hung up on the gun thing. In a fit of pedantic research, I went to the library and got a couple of books on infantry and SAS weapons and equipment, and then sat there with the book open at different pictures, pausing the DVD every time Ryan was on to compare the pictures to what he was carrying. Still didn't manage to work out what it was!
fredbassett From: fredbassett Date: July 9th, 2007 09:03 pm (UTC) (Link)
I've just emailed someone who should know the answer, I hope. I'd be inclined to keep the description general for the moment, unless it is mega-material to teh story, and then fill in the details later. Hopefully if an answer comes back, a quick internet trawl will then supply the rest of the technical specs.
deinonychus_1 From: deinonychus_1 Date: July 10th, 2007 07:25 am (UTC) (Link)
Cool. I can probably get away with a general description. The story has now mutated in such a way that it's probably not as important, and actually the more important weapon is the pistol/handgun, which I *did* manage to find the specs for in one of the books. Your fics always describe that as a Browning, right?

As for your earlier comment, re the female voices, I seem to be a lot better with the men as well. I've tried Claudia, and Abby popped up briefly in a Connor fic that I should be posting later this week (wrote it ages ago but only recently got feedback from the proof-reading friend). Still haven't gone near writing Helen, really not sure I can get her right. Write more fic and practice, that's clearly the way forward (with the added benefit of more fic).
fredbassett From: fredbassett Date: July 10th, 2007 07:40 pm (UTC) (Link)
OK, I have an answer to the rifle point from an Authoritative Source (!). He says, "Something called an M4 - an extending butt SF version of the AR16 - the Armalite of Vietnam, fires the now standard 5.56 round............one in 4 will carry a version with a grenade launcher under the barrel."

By one in 4, he means the standard infantry fire-team of 4 men. Primeval is not accurate in that they usually show the SF guys operating in bigger groups than that, I think, and I'm not sure that the technicalities in the programme are that accurate, which is probably why you couldn't get the pictures to match up with the photos you found, but hey, the men are pretty and slash well, so who cares!

As for the pistol, I'm sure that the one Stephen snagged and seem to hold onto (shown in the episode when they were all holding the guns on Connor's friend), was a Browning HP35. 9mm ammunition, 11 round clip (I think, or might be 13, I can check if it matters), capable of chambering an extra round. I can easily give you the specs for that. What I'm not sure, but can ask, is whether SF would carry a Browning. I had Stephen use that because I recognised it, but it might not be accurate. )I also need to change my reference to 7.62mm bullet as I'd forgotten they would now be using 5.56mm. The people I used to know preferred things that blew a biger hole!!! But times change.

I think I can get inside Helen's head easier than Abby's, but I thought you'd got Claudia very accurately in your fic. But as you say, practice is needed, and really does help. I always swore I'd never write fanfic, and look what's happened to me!! :)
fredbassett From: fredbassett Date: July 10th, 2007 09:41 pm (UTC) (Link)
OK, sad gits of the world unite! Having posted earlier comment, I've just had my dear husband free framing episode 1!!! Have proved conclusively that my Source, and the producers of Primeval are in agreement!! Ryan's rifle is definitely the M4. One of the shots with Ryan and Cutter through the anolmaly is very clear. Look up M4 on wikipedia and compare the photo there with the episodes. Definitely one and the same. Have had a harder time with the pistol, but am still pretty confident of earlier diagnosis as HP35. If this changes, will let you know! Has been a fun evening :) Gave me excuse to drool over hot men with guns .........
deinonychus_1 From: deinonychus_1 Date: July 10th, 2007 10:41 pm (UTC) (Link)
As if we need an excuse to drool over men with guns!

I'm using a book called "Infantry Weapons", editor Chris Bishop, and can't find an M4 anywhere in it (unless they're using different descriptions and I'm having an oblivious moment). There is a big page spread on SAS special forces kit, and it specifically lists the Browning High Power 9mm (13 round magazine) as being the handgun of choice for special forces and British military in general. So you were right, and I'm definitely going with that as the handgun.

More importantly, it has useful info about basic training with said handgun, and stuff like ranges and accuracy, which is what I really wanted. The assault rifle/submachine gun can stay a bit of a generic description for plot purposes I think. But I may look it up anyway.

Thanks a lot for the info, it's definitely been useful. And oddly comforting to know I'm not the only one who occasionally gets vaguely strange and obsessive about factual details. Although, I do suspect that the programme wasn't nearly as bothered about weapon continuity and accuracy as we apparently are!

I had a go at writing a scene with Helen earlier this eveing. Seemed to go okay, although she may not be quite nasty enough. It all depends on who she's talking to, in this case Connor, so I figured he'd be a bit intimidated, and she'd just want to play and see how much she can freak him out. Quite fun to write someone that nasty and manipulative, because the rest of the guys are all rather friendly with each other (most of the time).
fredbassett From: fredbassett Date: July 11th, 2007 06:42 am (UTC) (Link)
I think the SF use of the M4 is relatively recent, but it's previous numbering/naming was the AR16, which mutated from the M16, I think, which is the name most people use. Its American. I'll probably get the pistol answer later today, but what youve found seems to bear out what I remembered. Yes, 13 round clip, plus one chambered round, if you wanted one, so 14 in total if needed. Actually, from checking the use of the M4, I now thin they were actually more accurate than I'd given them credit for originallt.

Looking forward to the fic :)
deinonychus_1 From: deinonychus_1 Date: July 11th, 2007 07:23 am (UTC) (Link)
Ah, that possibly makes sense. I did find reference to the M16, so it possibly just means that I'm using a quite old book. Okay, I think that means I'm mostly sorted gun-wise.

On a complete tangent, I just remembered that I had been meaning to recomend a series of books to you. Given that you seem to like Sharpe, and Rome, I wondered if you had read any of the Simon Scarrow "Eagle" series of books? Historical action adventure, very much in the style of Bernard Cornwell's Sharpe books, but set with the Roman legions in the invasion of Britain. Very fun, great fight and battle scenes, but what really does it is the relationship between the two main characters - the young, smart one and the old cynical veteran, kind of cliche in places, but he writes their growing relationship so well over the course of the books that it's a joy to just read a scene with them interacting sometimes.
If you've not read any, I strongly recomend you give them a try. Given what else you seems to be a fan of, I think you'd like them. The first one in the series is "Under the Eagle".
fredbassett From: fredbassett Date: July 11th, 2007 03:16 pm (UTC) (Link)
Re guns : further words from my Source say that SF could also now be using SiGs or Glocks. Am obtaining more info and will then pass on. The gun Stephen used in the dodo episode was definitely NOT a Glock, that's for sure. Gosh, my gun knowledge is coming up to date quite rapidly, what fun!

Thanks for the book recommendation. I've seen them, but haven't bought any. I'll rectfy that next time I'm in a bookshop. With watching Rome at the moment, I'm certainly inclined to some good Romam legion fic :)
fredbassett From: fredbassett Date: July 11th, 2007 06:52 pm (UTC) (Link)
OK, last few details re pistols from He Who Knows:

"Sigs and Glocks are just called that - no one uses a number for them - smallish (ie smaller than Brownings or Berettas (which look remarkably similar to the untrained eye). Very modern, short barrels, odd safety arrangement (no conventional safety catch). Magazine capacity is around 13 I think, but not sure, but not more than that. 9mm parabellum rounds, (9mm long) is a sub-machine gun round, (HK56)"

Have fun :)
deinonychus_1 From: deinonychus_1 Date: July 11th, 2007 08:14 pm (UTC) (Link)
Thanks a lot for all the help and info. At least now I have a vague clue about guns, whereas before I was pretty much, "it's a gun", or "my, that's a *big* gun". Hopefully, when I write the scene that I've been worrying about, Ryan will at least *sound* like he knows what he's talking about.
fredbassett From: fredbassett Date: July 26th, 2007 04:52 pm (UTC) (Link)
Hi, how's the fic going? LJ seems to be scarily quiet this week, not sure whether to blame floods, holidays or Harry Potter ! So thought I'd pop over to see how things are in your fic-verse ? Hope all is well :)
deinonychus_1 From: deinonychus_1 Date: July 26th, 2007 05:24 pm (UTC) (Link)
Hi. I was just going to post a new entry, and realised you'd got here first. I haven't been online since Friday (see the new post I'm about to make), hence the quiet.

Fic-wise, you'll no doubt be pleased to hear that chapter one and two of the Ryan/Connor are done, and I've had good comments back from my proof-reader, although he forgot to bring the actual printouts with the red ink corrections and suggestions, so I can't do a final edit until the weekend when I next see him. But, full steam ahead next week (hopefully). Also, I've warned him it might get slashy later on, and he's fine with proof-reading even slash fic, so yey!
fredbassett From: fredbassett Date: July 26th, 2007 06:23 pm (UTC) (Link)
Splendid, two chapters! And the possibility of slashiness to come, excellent :) I'm impressed you're letting a bloke proof-read possible slash! I nearly choked on a beer earlier in the week when Mr fb blithely announced in the pub that he'd read some of my stuff on the net I knew letting him near my user-name was a mistake!). Is nothing sacred? I demanded. Clearly not ........ oh well, listening to spouse explaining slash-fic to a Polish friend of ours in the same pub was priceless. When he got to the bit about how slash was m/m, our friend just looked puzzled and asked, "Why?" Which just reduced me, and a female friend who's been reading it as well, to tears of helpless laughter.
deinonychus_1 From: deinonychus_1 Date: July 26th, 2007 06:46 pm (UTC) (Link)
*giggles* I can see why it might be confusing for someone who is not used to the ways of fanfic! And why it was so hilarious for the rest of you. Although the other half reading your slash fic is just a scary thought. There were some fic experiments that I just used to hope that my ex would never see back when we were still together.

My proof reader is a bloke, mostly because he's the one who has been proof reading my stuff for years since I used to write Buffy and Angel, and I know he enjoyed Primeval as well, so seemed the obvious choice. I must admit, all of my real-life friends know I write fanfic, but there is only a selct few to whom I admit the possibility that I might be writing slash. Although all of the five of us at the Tuesday D&D game now know, as my proof-reader (who runs said game) had a long conversation with me in front of everyone else about whether the series was going to be slash fic or not. He's great, though, and while he doesn't read a lot of fanfic these days, he used to read a bit, and doesn't seem to have a problem with slash, even if he wouldn't necessarily choose to read it if it wasn't written by me.
fredbassett From: fredbassett Date: July 26th, 2007 07:24 pm (UTC) (Link)
Yes, I'll just have to try and blank on the thought of Mr fb reading my slash !! Well, lets hope your proof-reader gets the draft back to you asap :) *grins*
deinonychus_1 From: deinonychus_1 Date: July 31st, 2007 12:32 pm (UTC) (Link)

I finally got chapters one and two back from my proof-reader. Trouble is, he read it and scribbled comments all over it, then his other half read it and scribbled comments as well, then one of the other players at the Friday night D&D game picked it up and started reading, and *he* pencilled comments onto it as well. Which would be fine, except in a couple of places the different comments are entirely contradictory, and on at least two occasions the original proof-reader has crossed something out and suggested an alternative, and one of the other two has commented 'I thought it was better the first way' !!!!!!

This may take some major editing. And apparently I know sod all about climbing, which is a problem in part one, and caused many of the red ink scribbles. *grrrr* *pout* *stomp* And then the library failed me when I went in to find an idiots introduction to climbing book. *grrrr*.

fredbassett From: fredbassett Date: July 31st, 2007 07:45 pm (UTC) (Link)
Oh help, multiple conflicting comments sounds like a nightmare, poor you! Say sod it to all of them and do it your way, that's my advice :) But seriously, I know what you mean, as I'm about to have to go and look up some cave diving details, as that's not something I can just do entirely off the top of my head, even after being involved with divers for yonks. And climbing is just as bad, plus finding two climbers to agree on techniques is pretty rare in my opinion, and I know loads of the buggers! Not sure I can think of an idiots guide off the top of my head, but I suppose they must exist. If you want to check a specific detail, just post the query and I can phone a climbing friend for a third opinion, if it helps. Which it probably won't as I imagine you want less opinions, not more! But happy to help if I can.

And *grrr* to all the red ink scribbles that have got in between me and the *eagerly awaited* adventure fic! *echoes stomp with sympathy & sends choccie dodos*
deinonychus_1 From: deinonychus_1 Date: July 31st, 2007 10:19 pm (UTC) (Link)
I think I may just edit the climbing bits of plot to involve less serious climbing or equipment, as it seemed to be the descriptions (or lack thereof) of climbing gear and how to use it that was bothering the proof-readers who knew even a little about climbing. I can't be bothered faffing around trying to find reference books if the library across the road has failed to supply, so it'll be easier to just change the story slightly.

Chapter three is currently underway, since that seemed easier than trying to wade through all the comments for editing one and two.

And I absolutely promise I'll post chapter one by the end of this week (probably sometime over the weekend). If I don't, you entirely have permission to throw things at me until I do. I've faffed long enough with it now.
fredbassett From: fredbassett Date: August 1st, 2007 03:03 pm (UTC) (Link)
OK .......readies non-edible things for throwing ...........

If a slight change will lose the issue, fair enough, but your audience won't be expecting a climbing manual in the text, just as I presume mine won't want a How To Go Caving Guide. If you want to try anything out on me (I do have enough technical knowledge to spot gross howlers) you're most welcome, we can swop emails if needed :) Best of luck!

And I love the idea of something running to 3 (or more) chapters!!
deinonychus_1 From: deinonychus_1 Date: August 1st, 2007 09:58 pm (UTC) (Link)
Okay, thanks for that. I'll have a go at editing tomorrow, and see what happens to the climbing scenes.

The series is currently guaranteed to run to five chapters - I've got pages and pages of notes and plans and it was entirely designed to be five chapters long. It's what might happen after that which gets a bit iffy length-wise. I don't want to get too far ahead of myself until I see how the first bit works, but from the rest of the notes and ideas I've been having I reckon I've got at least the same again for a follow-on series, possibly more. This is starting to get worrying.

I've just got back from Writer's Club, and the sensible part of my brain is telling me to go to bed, otherwise I'll be a zombie at work tomorrow. The rest of my brain wants to ignore the tiredness and start editing, right now. Damn the need for sleep.
fredbassett From: fredbassett Date: August 2nd, 2007 07:21 pm (UTC) (Link)
Brilliant! I'm loving the idea of this fic more and more :)

Yes, the need to sleep is such a nuisance :)
deinonychus_1 From: deinonychus_1 Date: August 3rd, 2007 11:27 pm (UTC) (Link)
*swear* *rant* *stomp* *swear*.

Just spent the last hour or so trying to post chapter one, and it won't bloody work. Keeps saying the post is too large. It's only bloody 5000 words! How can that be too large? It's not like it's got a bazillion pictures or anything. It must be able to take bigger posts than just that, otherwise it's crap!

For plot structure purposes, I *really* don't want to cut the fic into smaller sections.

And I'm too tired to faff with it much longer, I'll just end up throwing things at the computer. Going to go to bed now, and try again tommorrow. The only thing I can think to do at this point is convert the original document from Word to rich text or something, and copy/paste from that rather than from Word. Don't know if this will make a difference or what it will do to the format and the italics and stuff, but I have no other ideas. Any suggestions?

Right, sorry, I'll stop swearing randomly now. Sorry about that. Just a bit pissed off, it was such an anticlimax after spending the last two nights getting the thing edited.
fredbassett From: fredbassett Date: August 4th, 2007 10:03 am (UTC) (Link)
Oh god, poor you! That happened to me with Endangered Species and I had to chop it ito 3, which was a huge and annoying disaster (or at least that's whay it felt like when I was over-reacting madly - and wholly reasonably in my view!) ....

But I've just checked and Devil's Croll Part 4 was 6,600 words as ordinary word document, so I don't understand why yours was oversized. And if this happens to me when I try and post 5, I will have a king-sized wobbly!

Hope yours sorts out ok, dashed off to look ................
deinonychus_1 From: deinonychus_1 Date: August 4th, 2007 12:48 pm (UTC) (Link)
Okay, less swearing this time, I promise. I may have over-reacted a bit with the last post, but it was very late at night, and I think being very tired wasn't helping my mood.

Right, if you managed to get a 6600 word document to post, that's both useful, because it means it is possible, but confusing because mine won't. I wonder if it's to do wth my internet connection rather than livejournal itself - I only have a slow-mo dial-up modem, not broadband (something I am intending to rectify soon). While being annoying, if that is the case it means the simplest solution would be to try from a friend's computer who has broadband and see if that makes a difference.

Right, I'll give it another couple of go's from my machine, and see if it was just playing up yesterday as in intermittent glitch or something (any more straws I can clutch at, you think?)

And if it helps, if it happens to you with part five, I'll throw a wobbly on your behalf as well.
fredbassett From: fredbassett Date: August 4th, 2007 01:33 pm (UTC) (Link)
I've just checked Endangered Species and that was 8,300, and that was the one that failed, so it seems that for me, the tipping point is somewhere between 6,600 and that. I posted from my laptop, over a wi-fi connection, but our actual connection from main machine is broadband.

Best of luck!
deinonychus_1 From: deinonychus_1 Date: August 4th, 2007 04:09 pm (UTC) (Link)

Four hours, multiple posting attempts, and at least three saving-the-document-into-a-different-format later, it finally posted.

The only way I got it to work in the end was to save it as a plain text document rather than Word, paste it into the LJ, and then manually go through the entire thing using the space bar to re-do the paragraph indents, and re-doing the italics. What a faff. But eventually worth it.

Hope the fic doesn't dissapoint after all this wait. Enjoy.

Now I'm off for a well earned cup of tea.
fredbassett From: fredbassett Date: August 4th, 2007 08:47 pm (UTC) (Link)
Brilliant! *rushes off to read*

Well, I'm now back from last party of the weekend (no, I didn't drik at all!) and now intend to spend tomorrow finishing mine and posting it, catching up on fic reading and watching the Grand Prix, oh and sleeping, lots and lots of sleeping ............
fredbassett From: fredbassett Date: August 4th, 2007 09:26 pm (UTC) (Link)
You certainly did earn that cup of tea! It was a superb fic, thanks :)
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